2010 rules

[Craig S]

2010 RULES MOVED TO THE INFO PAGE

2010 Old School Rules posted for comments.

[RockMonkey]

Originally Posted by Craig S

2010 Old School Rules posted for comments.

The 3" max wheelbase change rule for the street stock class seems pretty restrictive. That's going to bump a lot of rigs that would otherwise qualify for street stock up into Legends, where they're not likely to be competitive, and will scare them off.

including me

[I Lean]

Originally Posted by RockMonkey

including me

That's right. Punk. You think you can just enter into whatever class you want, and stomp all over some guy's 4runner that happens to be in that class?

[BCGPER]

No worries, his coilovers would do that anyway....

Even if he did make Street, you know he's gonna roll and total his junk on the first run anyway.

[RockMonkey]

Originally Posted by BCGPER

No worries, his coilovers would do that anyway....

Even if he did make Street, you know he's gonna roll and total his junk on the first run anyway.

Nope, coilovers just cost a 10 point penalty. Maybe a penalty for each inch over the 3" max change?

[RockMonkey]

Originally Posted by I Lean

That's right. Punk. You think you can just enter into whatever class you want, and stomp all over some guy's 4runner that happens to be in that class?

Was hoping to...

[BCGPER]

Seems to be a contradiction in the rules:

1.7a Stock configuration suspension designs required. Example: leaf from factory, leaf for competition, coil/leaf from factory,
coil/leaf for competition, etc.. Double shackle, air shocks or coil over systems are allowed with a 10 point penalty (+10).

I'll have to look into that further. Coil overs and links are no where near your factory setup, and shouldn't be allowed in Street. Your thoughts Craig?

Originally Posted by RockMonkey

Nope, coilovers just cost a 10 point penalty. Maybe a penalty for each inch over the 3" max change?

[RockMonkey]

Originally Posted by BCGPER

Seems to be a contradiction in the rules:

1.7a Stock configuration suspension designs required. Example: leaf from factory, leaf for competition, coil/leaf from factory,
coil/leaf for competition, etc.. Double shackle, air shocks or coil over systems are allowed with a 10 point penalty (+10).

I'll have to look into that further. Coil overs and links are no where near your factory setup, and shouldn't be allowed in Street. Your thoughts Craig?

Long arms and well-designed custom link suspensions are no where near the crappy short arms that come on TJs, but they're allowed. I would think leaf springs are comparable in function to factory rear TJ geometry. If completely custom links are legal on a rig that had any crappy link system from the factory, I'd think it would be allowed on a rig that came with leafs from the factory. A point penalty may be appropriate in both cases.

[1995zj]

Originally Posted by RockMonkey

The 3" max wheelbase change rule for the street stock class seems pretty restrictive. That's going to bump a lot of rigs that would otherwise qualify for street stock up into Legends, where they're not likely to be competitive, and will scare them off.

including me

I was going to say the same thing as I'm only 4"-5" over stock. But then again I'll be full-hydro, so I guess I've got no choice

[Craig S]

The wheel base +- 3". I think that Werock uses +-2.5". I know that Prorock does. I just have problems with fractions. 10 points/inch might be a way to go here.

Coil over suspension. A lot of vendors make coil over kits for 4x4 vehicles and I see a lot of them on trail rigs and street rigs. I think that the wheel base rule will keep most of the real long rigs with coils or air shocks in Legend class. Does the penalty need to go up or just eliminate the coil over rule for stock?

[BCGPER]

I think the penalty needs to be increased substantially if coil overs are allowed. 10 points will probably be made up on the first run, compared to say a stockish Toyota on leafs. You just know that poor guy is taking some cones. Not to mention, those coilovers probably cost as much as that guy has into his Toyota total. I think if we head this way, we're going to price the stockish trucks right out of the competition.

I really hate to see the street stock class move away from where it was intended. It was a class to include the average trail rig, one that probably also sees as much hiway use as well as offroad. Something the average Joe could have put together in his garage.

Oh, and I also agree with Braden on the long arm deal. They shouldn't be allowed in stock. I think in my case, running the long arm, I have a definate advantage over a short arm kit. And, if nothing else, the frame has been modified to allow the long arm kit to be installed in the first place. Maybe it needs to be added that all arms must use factory mounting points?

[Bear Taylor]

Something that I know we had confusion on last year was a pickup with a flat bed still being allowed in the stock class. Any ideas?

[1995zj]

Originally Posted by CrawlinBear

Something that I know we had confusion on last year was a pickup with a flat bed still being allowed in the stock class. Any ideas?

This was my same question. Only about the Legends Class. My brother would be competing in the Legends class in his Toyota Hilux, but he has removed the bed and built a flat-bed now. I noticed this

2.3 Body-Body panels are required. Body panels must closely match the original factory configuration of the vehicle.

So would it have to have a bed on it then to compete in the Legends Class or does this bump him into Unlimited?

[Craig S]

Originally Posted by BCGPER

I think the penalty needs to be increased substantially if coil overs are allowed. 10 points will probably be made up on the first run, compared to say a stockish Toyota on leafs. You just know that poor guy is taking some cones. Not to mention, those coilovers probably cost as much as that guy has into his Toyota total. I think if we head this way, we're going to price the stockish trucks right out of the competition.

I really hate to see the street stock class move away from where it was intended. It was a class to include the average trail rig, one that probably also sees as much hiway use as well as offroad. Something the average Joe could have put together in his garage.

Oh, and I also agree with Braden on the long arm deal. They shouldn't be allowed in stock. I think in my case, running the long arm, I have a definate advantage over a short arm kit. And, if nothing else, the frame has been modified to allow the long arm kit to be installed in the first place. Maybe it needs to be added that all arms must use factory mounting points?

This is a difficult issue because there are a lot of vehicles (mostly TJs) with lifts and coilovers that are street legal. Maybe we bump the coilover penalty a bit to say 15 or 20 points. Most events are pretty close and 15 or 20 points is a pretty good handycap.

[Craig S]

Originally Posted by 1995zj

This was my same question. Only about the Legends Class. My brother would be competing in the Legends class in his Toyota Hilux, but he has removed the bed and built a flat-bed now. I noticed this



So would it have to have a bed on it then to compete in the Legends Class or does this bump him into Unlimited?

You guys need to help me with this here. I thought the pickup was OK in stock with the flat bed. It certainly didn't give him an advantage.